[00:00:00] Steve & Chris: 00:00:00 Speaker: Steve.
[00:00:05] Steve & Chris: Chris.
[00:00:10] Steve & Chris: Man.
[00:00:15] Steve & Chris: I'm back.
[00:00:20] Steve & Chris: I'm starting the podcast the right way.
[00:00:25] Steve & Chris: I'm back too, man.
[00:00:30] Steve & Chris: Uh, this is going to be a good one today.
[00:00:35] Steve & Chris: As opposed to the other bad ones.
[00:00:40] Steve & Chris: What?
[00:00:45] Steve & Chris: Like, I think we're at episode twenty one already.
[00:00:50] Steve & Chris: No, really.
[00:00:55] Steve & Chris: Are we?
[00:01:00] Steve & Chris: I can't believe we have that much garbage to say.
[00:01:05] Steve & Chris: I don't know, but this is gonna be the best one.
[00:01:10] Steve & Chris: That's what I say every time I know and every time I'm right.
[00:01:15] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:01:20] Steve & Chris: So far.
[00:01:25] Steve & Chris: Or I'm not.
[00:01:30] Steve & Chris: It depends.
[00:01:35] Steve & Chris: There are some of these, like some of these I watch and some are just better than others.
[00:01:40] Steve & Chris: It is a weird.
[00:01:45] Steve & Chris: It is weird.
[00:01:50] Steve & Chris: It's very strange doing this.
[00:01:55] Steve & Chris: And I'm not like, you've done this a lot longer than I have, but I'm still like, yeah, I'm still like, why are these things blinking?
[00:02:00] Steve & Chris: And like, why are these?
[00:02:05] Steve & Chris: Why are there lights?
[00:02:10] Steve & Chris: And I'm scared.
[00:02:15] Steve & Chris: So and here we are in a dark little studio alone, like me and my coffee.
[00:02:20] Steve & Chris: Not anymore.
[00:02:25] Steve & Chris: No.
[00:02:30] Steve & Chris: Now I'm here.
[00:02:35] Steve & Chris: No.
[00:02:40] Steve & Chris: Be careful what I say.
[00:02:45] Steve & Chris: Yeah, because, you know, I'm you're not only on with me, but with everyone watching.
[00:02:50] Steve & Chris: It is a consciously not just saying what I think about things like as blatantly as my American mind wants to.
[00:02:55] Steve & Chris: There is something to that.
[00:03:00] Steve & Chris: I'm always break checking.
[00:03:05] Steve & Chris: So so all that to say that it's going to be a great podcast.
[00:03:10] Steve & Chris: Here we are.
[00:03:15] Steve & Chris: Okay.
[00:03:20] Steve & Chris: The best one.
[00:03:25] Steve & Chris: The best.
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[00:03:45] Steve & Chris: But before we move forward, the best podcast.
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[00:07:10] Steve & Chris: I think it was the first thing.
[00:07:15] Steve & Chris: The first one you did?
[00:07:20] Steve & Chris: No, no, I did several.
[00:07:25] Steve & Chris: You did other videos.
[00:07:30] Steve & Chris: That was when I came into your life.
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[00:07:40] Steve & Chris: And this ID forty eight thing was sitting there in a box.
[00:07:45] Steve & Chris: So I actually had to do a recording in the house, and I needed an actual, like, interface to my laptop because I've been studio free.
[00:07:50] Steve & Chris: And so I stole the thing.
[00:07:55] Steve & Chris: I physically just took it.
[00:08:00] Steve & Chris: You literally stole it.
[00:08:05] Steve & Chris: I literally stole it, used it, loved it, and started stealing it regularly after that.
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[00:08:15] Steve & Chris: To the point where you were like, I want to keep mine.
[00:08:20] Steve & Chris: Let me reach out to audience.
[00:08:25] Steve & Chris: And so that's how we ended up with Audient as a sponsor, because you were like, you need to get your own.
[00:08:30] Steve & Chris: Let me make some calls.
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[00:08:40] Steve & Chris: And so now they are on board and we are honestly very good interfaces.
[00:08:45] Steve & Chris: They are good interfaces.
[00:08:50] Steve & Chris: I'm using them kind of as my primary thing of late, and I'm making a lot of records with them.
[00:08:55] Steve & Chris: There you go.
[00:09:00] Steve & Chris: And it's that weird combo of like clean but can be pushed.
[00:09:05] Steve & Chris: Preamps are amazing, but the preamps on interface sound great and they sound great.
[00:09:10] Steve & Chris: And like, you know, as a preamp.
[00:09:15] Steve & Chris: As a preamp, that's what you want is your preamps to sound great.
[00:09:20] Steve & Chris: So totally preamps are terrible.
[00:09:25] Steve & Chris: But the knobs were amazing.
[00:09:30] Steve & Chris: Yeah, it wouldn't be a good start.
[00:09:35] Steve & Chris: I've actually owned those.
[00:09:40] Steve & Chris: I would have owned those products anyway.
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[00:10:30] Steve & Chris: We were actually waiting for, like to bring them in for the to get on that episode.
[00:10:35] Steve & Chris: The best episode ever.
[00:10:40] Steve & Chris: And here we are.
[00:10:45] Steve & Chris: Let's start it.
[00:10:50] Steve & Chris: All right.
[00:10:55] Steve & Chris: So.
[00:11:00] Steve & Chris: So what are we talking about today, Steve?
[00:11:05] Steve & Chris: This topic came about, uh, it was kind of in passing on an earlier podcast, I said something about, if I remember correctly, uh, you know, me not understanding that technically and you do or something, something like that.
[00:11:10] Steve & Chris: And it's kind of a running gag where you kind of know a bit more technically than I do about things.
[00:11:15] Steve & Chris: And so then in my head, I started feeling sad about myself, and I'm thinking, I don't know, a lot of technical stuff, like, I've made a fine living doing this, but but, you know, then I get on and I'm looking like Andrew Scheps and he's talking about, you know, sound wave things and technology and physics of sound and resonances and like all the stuff.
[00:11:20] Steve & Chris: Right.
[00:11:25] Steve & Chris: And so then I kind of feel sad.
[00:11:30] Steve & Chris: And then I was at Nam, I think it was this year or the year before, I think it was Tchad Blake.
[00:11:35] Steve & Chris: He's up there and somebody asked him a question.
[00:11:40] Steve & Chris: He's like, I don't know.
[00:11:45] Steve & Chris: He's like, I don't know.
[00:11:50] Steve & Chris: I don't even know what you're talking about.
[00:11:55] Steve & Chris: He's like, I just, I just mix until it sounds good and then I release it.
[00:12:00] Steve & Chris: Right.
[00:12:05] Steve & Chris: And so, so I was two worlds.
[00:12:10] Steve & Chris: It was literally they were back to back at on the mix with the master stage.
[00:12:15] Steve & Chris: And so that's where this kind of started gelling in my head over time.
[00:12:20] Steve & Chris: And then now I'm hanging out with you and the professor and who knows all this stuff.
[00:12:25] Steve & Chris: And so that's the conversation is you think I know all this stuff, you know, a lot of stuff about stuff.
[00:12:30] Steve & Chris: And so that's that's kind of the conversation is, you know, in an unguided way, you know, technical versus practical.
[00:12:35] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:12:40] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:12:45] Steve & Chris: And, you know, and then we've talked a bit, we've applied this to music as well.
[00:12:50] Steve & Chris: There's the, the, you know, the Juilliard Conservatory educated musician who's, who's making a living here.
[00:12:55] Steve & Chris: And then there's the guy who's like, I don't know, over here making a fine living as well.
[00:13:00] Steve & Chris: You know, I place my fingers here on the neck and I do that.
[00:13:05] Steve & Chris: And it sounds nice, right?
[00:13:10] Steve & Chris: And so same thing here, right.
[00:13:15] Steve & Chris: Like so totally.
[00:13:20] Steve & Chris: So I guess from the top maybe, maybe we start with, you know, educationally you're not formally educated in this stuff are you?
[00:13:25] Steve & Chris: I to a degree, yes.
[00:13:30] Steve & Chris: Like you don't have working stuff but you didn't like go to university, not university.
[00:13:35] Steve & Chris: I would like to a production school.
[00:13:40] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:13:45] Steve & Chris: You know, like the basic stuff.
[00:13:50] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:13:55] Steve & Chris: You know, I don't have, like, a degree in audio engineering.
[00:14:00] Steve & Chris: Yes.
[00:14:05] Steve & Chris: I don't.
[00:14:10] Steve & Chris: You learned audio engineering.
[00:14:15] Steve & Chris: I have learned, yeah.
[00:14:20] Steve & Chris: In the studio.
[00:14:25] Steve & Chris: Correct.
[00:14:30] Steve & Chris: Doing it.
[00:14:35] Steve & Chris: So.
[00:14:40] Steve & Chris: But you did start with a formal like sit in a chair and read a book.
[00:14:45] Steve & Chris: I did, I did like for a year started with a chair in a book.
[00:14:50] Steve & Chris: Yeah, in front of a class and all that stuff.
[00:14:55] Steve & Chris: And, uh, which was also a studio.
[00:15:00] Steve & Chris: So it was kind of.
[00:15:05] Steve & Chris: Yeah, you know, practical side of it also.
[00:15:10] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:15:15] Steve & Chris: Um, which is the case for most, uh, music production schools anyways.
[00:15:20] Steve & Chris: But most of what I've learned was by doing it.
[00:15:25] Steve & Chris: Like, what percent of people doing this for a living.
[00:15:30] Steve & Chris: Living?
[00:15:35] Steve & Chris: Yes.
[00:15:40] Steve & Chris: Do you think are formally educated in it?
[00:15:45] Steve & Chris: I don't think there's a lot.
[00:15:50] Steve & Chris: It's probably a small percent, right.
[00:15:55] Steve & Chris: Probably like and without being educated per se, like with the diploma and everything.
[00:16:00] Steve & Chris: That's what I mean.
[00:16:05] Steve & Chris: That's what I mean.
[00:16:10] Steve & Chris: Yeah, I'm talking about like being more of a geek, you know, or more of a in a good way, you know, like having that knowledge, all that technical scientific knowledge behind sound engineering.
[00:16:15] Steve & Chris: Okay.
[00:16:20] Steve & Chris: So so let's so that's an interesting point.
[00:16:25] Steve & Chris: I don't think there's that, but that can even be broken off.
[00:16:30] Steve & Chris: Yes.
[00:16:35] Steve & Chris: So there's book learning like I went and got a degree over years in audio engineering.
[00:16:40] Steve & Chris: That person?
[00:16:45] Steve & Chris: Yes.
[00:16:50] Steve & Chris: Then there's the person that starts doing it and falls in love with the the nerd side of it.
[00:16:55] Steve & Chris: Right.
[00:17:00] Steve & Chris: And like last week we had the conversation with Rock from Oslo.
[00:17:05] Steve & Chris: And he's just that guy knows so much technical stuff, but at the same time he's like, hey, they sound good, right?
[00:17:10] Steve & Chris: So, you know, like, there's the carthorse thing.
[00:17:15] Steve & Chris: I remember asking him, like, how do you think of yourself as a listener or a headphone builder?
[00:17:20] Steve & Chris: And he's like, ah, right.
[00:17:25] Steve & Chris: So there's a bit of that.
[00:17:30] Steve & Chris: So there's people that that love the physics of sound and learning more and more.
[00:17:35] Steve & Chris: And you know, it's like the people that like to work on their cars on the weekend, like they like to take apart their carburetor for fun.
[00:17:40] Steve & Chris: Yeah, yeah.
[00:17:45] Steve & Chris: You could have a guy do it in twenty minutes or I spent the whole day doing it right.
[00:17:50] Steve & Chris: I had a beer and took apart my carburetor and watched the game and, like.
[00:17:55] Steve & Chris: Right.
[00:18:00] Steve & Chris: So there's that piece.
[00:18:05] Steve & Chris: So?
[00:18:10] Steve & Chris: So that's okay.
[00:18:15] Steve & Chris: So all that to say.
[00:18:20] Steve & Chris: Book learning.
[00:18:25] Steve & Chris: Joy.
[00:18:30] Steve & Chris: Learning.
[00:18:35] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:18:40] Steve & Chris: And then I don't care about any of that.
[00:18:45] Steve & Chris: I'm just going to twiddle the things and slide the slides until I feel happy.
[00:18:50] Steve & Chris: Yes.
[00:18:55] Steve & Chris: And people pay me.
[00:19:00] Steve & Chris: Yes.
[00:19:05] Steve & Chris: So those might be our three categories, right.
[00:19:10] Steve & Chris: So I think you are like small version of the first one.
[00:19:15] Steve & Chris: Skip the yeah, maybe a small version.
[00:19:20] Steve & Chris: And you have a small version of the second one I would say.
[00:19:25] Steve & Chris: Oh yeah.
[00:19:30] Steve & Chris: Even just educating to do each video you do.
[00:19:35] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:19:40] Steve & Chris: You're like diving down a rabbit hole.
[00:19:45] Steve & Chris: Oh, yeah.
[00:19:50] Steve & Chris: So that when you say something, you don't get completely skewered by the internet.
[00:19:55] Steve & Chris: There's that.
[00:20:00] Steve & Chris: So, yeah, you're trying to learn enough.
[00:20:05] Steve & Chris: Do your research correctly.
[00:20:10] Steve & Chris: So there's a bit of one for you, a bit of two for you, and a lot of three for sure, which is just just going for it.
[00:20:15] Steve & Chris: A lot of three, actually.
[00:20:20] Steve & Chris: I think the more I go the more I want the number three, number three more in my life, you know?
[00:20:25] Steve & Chris: Because honestly, when you go too much into the technical side, there's stuff.
[00:20:30] Steve & Chris: There's stuff that is very fun to know about.
[00:20:35] Steve & Chris: You know, when like you analyze one plugin, for example, uh, for example, you know, what's a rabbit hole you've gone down where you're like, I want to learn more or you're googling.
[00:20:40] Steve & Chris: I don't know if I've jumped into any huge rabbit holes.
[00:20:45] Steve & Chris: I know one that you did.
[00:20:50] Steve & Chris: Okay.
[00:20:55] Steve & Chris: Go ahead.
[00:21:00] Steve & Chris: The Harman curve thing.
[00:21:05] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:21:10] Steve & Chris: Okay.
[00:21:15] Steve & Chris: Yeah, but, you know, EQ curves became a passion for you.
[00:21:20] Steve & Chris: Like you were telling me stuff about that with passion, different curves and EQ.
[00:21:25] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:21:30] Steve & Chris: Like, it was just this weird little technical thing.
[00:21:35] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:21:40] Steve & Chris: That you just learned all about.
[00:21:45] Steve & Chris: But.
[00:21:50] Steve & Chris: Yeah, but but again, it's like it's it's it's a thing that is debatable for a lot of people.
[00:21:55] Steve & Chris: Oh, yeah.
[00:22:00] Steve & Chris: You know.
[00:22:05] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:22:10] Steve & Chris: We're talking about like subjective type of thing and not even Harman itself, but just the idea.
[00:22:15] Steve & Chris: Yeah, the idea.
[00:22:20] Steve & Chris: The idea behind it.
[00:22:25] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:22:30] Steve & Chris: Yeah I can.
[00:22:35] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:22:40] Steve & Chris: Stuff like that I can dive into or like, I don't know, talking about, uh, sample rates and stuff like that.
[00:22:45] Steve & Chris: There's the technical side of it that's quite interesting.
[00:22:50] Steve & Chris: So I do dive into kind of a rabbit hole, but not too deep, but just enough to have fun.
[00:22:55] Steve & Chris: Okay.
[00:23:00] Steve & Chris: Exactly.
[00:23:05] Steve & Chris: At some point, it just gets on my nerves.
[00:23:10] Steve & Chris: It's like, you know, but but but a lot of people like that stuff, and, you know, all power to them.
[00:23:15] Steve & Chris: Do you find?
[00:23:20] Steve & Chris: I do.
[00:23:25] Steve & Chris: Like, I learned so much about something that I just don't want to learn about it anymore.
[00:23:30] Steve & Chris: I hit a point where I'm like, I can't.
[00:23:35] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:23:40] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:23:45] Steve & Chris: I'm not liking this anymore.
[00:23:50] Steve & Chris: Or this is annoying me.
[00:23:55] Steve & Chris: It gets annoying at some point.
[00:24:00] Steve & Chris: Okay, I'm going to say one thing that I like to fall into is when I analyze a plugin or analyze a piece of gear.
[00:24:05] Steve & Chris: So I made a series of videos where I went and take a eleven, eleven, seventy six and show people how that one works, how to work with an eleven seventy six, how does it behave?
[00:24:10] Steve & Chris: Yes.
[00:24:15] Steve & Chris: The input, the output, you know, the way they attack and release are made, how fast they are compared to other type of compressors, you know.
[00:24:20] Steve & Chris: You know, so these types or compared to an la two way, how the LA two way is going to work, how it's going to react and maybe why I like that stuff.
[00:24:25] Steve & Chris: Maybe why this is more fun is because it is not limitless.
[00:24:30] Steve & Chris: Exactly right.
[00:24:35] Steve & Chris: You learn all the buttons and the knobs and then you're good.
[00:24:40] Steve & Chris: I know everything there is to know about the front panel of this.
[00:24:45] Steve & Chris: I can move on with my life exactly where if I then said to you, okay, so now you're working with a diode bridge compressor and tell me the history of that, and now you're into the now you're inside and now you're chasing the history of this, and now it becomes less more technical and less knob.
[00:24:50] Steve & Chris: Button.
[00:24:55] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:25:00] Steve & Chris: And this is where I kind of where the knobs and buttons are.
[00:25:05] Steve & Chris: Instant feedback.
[00:25:10] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:25:15] Steve & Chris: I turn this and I know this happens and that's fun.
[00:25:20] Steve & Chris: This is the fun part that I like you know.
[00:25:25] Steve & Chris: But again but again, it's not all engineers and even like Grammy winning engineers that are necessarily going to know everything behind what an eleven seventy six is.
[00:25:30] Steve & Chris: Amazing how many people I chat with that are top of their game and they're like, ah, and is it okay?
[00:25:35] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:25:40] Steve & Chris: According to the bank account, according according to the radio.
[00:25:45] Steve & Chris: I think it doesn't matter that much.
[00:25:50] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:25:55] Steve & Chris: In a way, they're creating the sounds of our generation, some of these guys, or it's like, you know, like music composers that know nothing about music theory, right?
[00:26:00] Steve & Chris: Same thing.
[00:26:05] Steve & Chris: They just made really neat sounds.
[00:26:10] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:26:15] Steve & Chris: And they defined a genre of music.
[00:26:20] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:26:25] Steve & Chris: They write songs and they write music and they have, like, royalties in their bank.
[00:26:30] Steve & Chris: And everybody's like, you suck.
[00:26:35] Steve & Chris: And they're like, ha ha ha ha!
[00:26:40] Steve & Chris: Exactly.
[00:26:45] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:26:50] Steve & Chris: Like, it is a weird it's a weird thing that.
[00:26:55] Steve & Chris: So.
[00:27:00] Steve & Chris: And what about, uh, what about broader concepts?
[00:27:05] Steve & Chris: So you, I know, have done some more extensive videos on a broader concept, i.e., uh, compression.
[00:27:10] Steve & Chris: That's a great one.
[00:27:15] Steve & Chris: Where what percent of engineers, if you go explain compression to me, they go, uh, just this does a thing.
[00:27:20] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:27:25] Steve & Chris: Even some will have like different definitions, definitions of compression does like a, like a scheps man.
[00:27:30] Steve & Chris: When they start explaining this stuff you're like whoa.
[00:27:35] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:27:40] Steve & Chris: Like whoa.
[00:27:45] Steve & Chris: Like what you said.
[00:27:50] Steve & Chris: That makes sense, right?
[00:27:55] Steve & Chris: And there's all and there's so much because it is technically physically doing a thing.
[00:28:00] Steve & Chris: It is and it is.
[00:28:05] Steve & Chris: It is emotionally, sonically doing a thing.
[00:28:10] Steve & Chris: And they're not completely connected oftentimes.
[00:28:15] Steve & Chris: Right.
[00:28:20] Steve & Chris: So you talk to gear manufacturers and they're explaining what this thing does.
[00:28:25] Steve & Chris: And I'm like, dude, it just makes it louder.
[00:28:30] Steve & Chris: Like you like Like.
[00:28:35] Steve & Chris: Like my buddy Rupert Neve.
[00:28:40] Steve & Chris: Like, I sit down with this guy and he's like, okay, here's what's happening.
[00:28:45] Steve & Chris: Back on the wound of the thing and the.
[00:28:50] Steve & Chris: And I'm like, it just gets brighter.
[00:28:55] Steve & Chris: Yeah, right.
[00:29:00] Steve & Chris: Like so.
[00:29:05] Steve & Chris: But yeah.
[00:29:10] Steve & Chris: But for me, so broad concepts like EQ compression.
[00:29:15] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:29:20] Steve & Chris: How far into that.
[00:29:25] Steve & Chris: Again for me it has to be in relation to sound to what I experiment.
[00:29:30] Steve & Chris: When I mix a song, I don't care about the graphs and all the curves and all that stuff.
[00:29:35] Steve & Chris: You know, when it comes to to ethnic sometimes, of course.
[00:29:40] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:29:45] Steve & Chris: I like to jump into plugin doctor, you know, and just analyze a plugin and see how that EQ curve, that knob is going to affect the EQ curve.
[00:29:50] Steve & Chris: You know, uh, you know, just to know what it's doing.
[00:29:55] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:30:00] Steve & Chris: Okay.
[00:30:05] Steve & Chris: But aside from that, you know, like, I just want to know what it does to the sound.
[00:30:10] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:30:15] Steve & Chris: And that's it.
[00:30:20] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:30:25] Steve & Chris: You know, and the rest is okay.
[00:30:30] Steve & Chris: Do I like this plugin?
[00:30:35] Steve & Chris: Do I like the look of the plugin?
[00:30:40] Steve & Chris: Do I like, you know, the way the knobs are made and they react and all that stuff.
[00:30:45] Steve & Chris: You know, the design of the play.
[00:30:50] Steve & Chris: This is what I'm going to look at.
[00:30:55] Steve & Chris: So I'm not there's a bit of technical stuff I'm going to dive into, but not as deep as other people on YouTube.
[00:31:00] Steve & Chris: Every once in a while I get genuinely curious, though, about something like.
[00:31:05] Steve & Chris: Like it'll be, um, you know, oh, the for me, it was like, I remember the time people kept talking as a younger lad about music overtones.
[00:31:10] Steve & Chris: And I was like, what is that?
[00:31:15] Steve & Chris: What is this voodoo called?
[00:31:20] Steve & Chris: So you kind of just.
[00:31:25] Steve & Chris: So that would be a bit of a curiosity thing, right?
[00:31:30] Steve & Chris: Harmonic distortion.
[00:31:35] Steve & Chris: What is that?
[00:31:40] Steve & Chris: Right.
[00:31:45] Steve & Chris: Like, so I hear a term and I'm like, I know what it sounds like, but what how does this happen in the real world?
[00:31:50] Steve & Chris: Even harmonics, odd harmonics.
[00:31:55] Steve & Chris: How does that happen in the real world?
[00:32:00] Steve & Chris: Right.
[00:32:05] Steve & Chris: So there's physics and things and you see charts and it's like it was like doing that thing with a piece of paper last week with the headphones.
[00:32:10] Steve & Chris: If you haven't seen that, it's a cool conversation, but just distortion where you get a piece of paper and I'm like, that was the best illustration I've seen.
[00:32:15] Steve & Chris: Amazing.
[00:32:20] Steve & Chris: It was like, I love those like aha kind of moments.
[00:32:25] Steve & Chris: Yeah, that's distortion on a ten hertz frequency with a piece.
[00:32:30] Steve & Chris: Right.
[00:32:35] Steve & Chris: So yeah.
[00:32:40] Steve & Chris: Exactly.
[00:32:45] Steve & Chris: So every once in a while it is fun to just have an.
[00:32:50] Steve & Chris: Aha.
[00:32:55] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:33:00] Steve & Chris: Exactly.
[00:33:05] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:33:10] Steve & Chris: But but at the end of the day, it's like, sometimes it doesn't matter either.
[00:33:15] Steve & Chris: It doesn't matter.
[00:33:20] Steve & Chris: You know, like for harmonics you're talking about saturation.
[00:33:25] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:33:30] Steve & Chris: Even harmonics, other harmonics and stuff like it's I actually made a video on that.
[00:33:35] Steve & Chris: And it's cool to know about that stuff is cool to, to dive into.
[00:33:40] Steve & Chris: But does it then when I insert a saturation plugin, I don't care much what it does.
[00:33:45] Steve & Chris: What I care is what I get out of it.
[00:33:50] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:33:55] Steve & Chris: Uh, I remember one of my mentors, Leon, used to always say, he'd say, man, I don't know.
[00:34:00] Steve & Chris: I don't know how electricity works.
[00:34:05] Steve & Chris: I just know when I do the switch, it comes on.
[00:34:10] Steve & Chris: Exactly right.
[00:34:15] Steve & Chris: Exactly that.
[00:34:20] Steve & Chris: Like that.
[00:34:25] Steve & Chris: I don't know how to.
[00:34:30] Steve & Chris: I know how to do the switch.
[00:34:35] Steve & Chris: And I'm good.
[00:34:40] Steve & Chris: I'm in the room, so.
[00:34:45] Steve & Chris: But how much so then?
[00:34:50] Steve & Chris: So then to counter that, I would say.
[00:34:55] Steve & Chris: How much does educating yourself in certain things contribute to your mixes?
[00:35:00] Steve & Chris: For example, EQ that's a great one.
[00:35:05] Steve & Chris: When you learn what and where seven hundred is, are you then able to mix faster and better?
[00:35:10] Steve & Chris: Because you know what seven hundred is before you reach for it?
[00:35:15] Steve & Chris: But again, or are you just sweeping along looking for the thing?
[00:35:20] Steve & Chris: Yeah, but if if on paper you learn about what seven hundred hertz is on paper, so then you go one step further.
[00:35:25] Steve & Chris: So now you're doing ear training.
[00:35:30] Steve & Chris: Yes.
[00:35:35] Steve & Chris: Without ear training.
[00:35:40] Steve & Chris: Like forget it.
[00:35:45] Steve & Chris: Correct.
[00:35:50] Steve & Chris: So but ear training is education.
[00:35:55] Steve & Chris: So paper ear training to me is in the same bucket.
[00:36:00] Steve & Chris: Sure, sure.
[00:36:05] Steve & Chris: Now you're applying it to your mix.
[00:36:10] Steve & Chris: So are there certain concepts that then knowing ahead of time what it is before you reach for it could be easier, could make it easier.
[00:36:15] Steve & Chris: It's like music theory.
[00:36:20] Steve & Chris: It's like music theory.
[00:36:25] Steve & Chris: Okay.
[00:36:30] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:36:35] Steve & Chris: Like, you know, I'll give you an example, like for me.
[00:36:40] Steve & Chris: And I'm probably going to go back to what we were talking before, but I remember the first time I, I called my friend Jimmy, we didn't know each other back then, years ago.
[00:36:45] Steve & Chris: So I needed someone to arrange music with and a guitar player also for the studio.
[00:36:50] Steve & Chris: So.
[00:36:55] Steve & Chris: And I heard a lot about this guy and I was like, okay, I'm going to call it up and I'm going to call him up and ask him to come to the studio.
[00:37:00] Steve & Chris: And he has a music degree and stuff, I didn't care.
[00:37:05] Steve & Chris: It's like, I don't want to see your diplomas or university degrees and stuff.
[00:37:10] Steve & Chris: Just.
[00:37:15] Steve & Chris: Just play music.
[00:37:20] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:37:25] Steve & Chris: And I'm going to judge by what I hear.
[00:37:30] Steve & Chris: Will it make me feel funny?
[00:37:35] Steve & Chris: You know?
[00:37:40] Steve & Chris: Exactly.
[00:37:45] Steve & Chris: It made me feel funny.
[00:37:50] Steve & Chris: So that's why I worked with him for the next twenty years afterwards.
[00:37:55] Steve & Chris: But, you know, um, I forgot my thoughts.
[00:38:00] Steve & Chris: But, uh, your question right before.
[00:38:05] Steve & Chris: Education.
[00:38:10] Steve & Chris: Education versus real world application.
[00:38:15] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:38:20] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:38:25] Steve & Chris: So, like Jimmy, having a degree helps a lot.
[00:38:30] Steve & Chris: You know, when we're arranging a song and stuff, you know, he's a very good musician.
[00:38:35] Steve & Chris: But the fact that he knows theory helped me a lot.
[00:38:40] Steve & Chris: As someone who didn't know theory a lot to arrange music with this guy, you know, kind of.
[00:38:45] Steve & Chris: Anyway, so I learned a lot about music theory only from him.
[00:38:50] Steve & Chris: I think knowing theory, like music theory or technical mixing, technical theory stuff, technical theory, whatever, you know, in audio, um, is not going to make you necessarily the best mixing engineer or the best musician.
[00:38:55] Steve & Chris: However, it can make your life easier in a lot of situations faster, quick, way quicker for mixing decisions or you know, to get from point A to point B.
[00:39:00] Steve & Chris: Yeah, in a very quick way.
[00:39:05] Steve & Chris: Like you were saying with the seven hundred hertz.
[00:39:10] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:39:15] Steve & Chris: You know, so if you know how seven hundred hertz sounds like because you did a lot of educational ear training, you'll know right away if there's something wrong in your mix in that region.
[00:39:20] Steve & Chris: Okay.
[00:39:25] Steve & Chris: So then to encounter this whole thing because people that break the rules often have amazing long careers.
[00:39:30] Steve & Chris: Yes.
[00:39:35] Steve & Chris: Because they didn't know they were breaking the rules because they never learned the rules.
[00:39:40] Steve & Chris: Yes.
[00:39:45] Steve & Chris: Do we advocate that but learn nothing and become.
[00:39:50] Steve & Chris: Okay.
[00:39:55] Steve & Chris: The whole list of names that come to mind are people who have had long careers through our entire lives.
[00:40:00] Steve & Chris: That.
[00:40:05] Steve & Chris: But there's also people that have lots of knowledge.
[00:40:10] Steve & Chris: Yeah lots of technical knowledge, but also break the rules.
[00:40:15] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:40:20] Steve & Chris: On purpose?
[00:40:25] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:40:30] Steve & Chris: Or just by.
[00:40:35] Steve & Chris: Randomly.
[00:40:40] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:40:45] Steve & Chris: So there's no right answer, and there's still very successful.
[00:40:50] Steve & Chris: There's no right answer.
[00:40:55] Steve & Chris: I don't think there is.
[00:41:00] Steve & Chris: Dang it.
[00:41:05] Steve & Chris: I'm trying to find the answer.
[00:41:10] Steve & Chris: I can't, you know, it's like anything.
[00:41:15] Steve & Chris: I think if there's a time for.
[00:41:20] Steve & Chris: There's a time for everything.
[00:41:25] Steve & Chris: There's a time to learn.
[00:41:30] Steve & Chris: There's a time to practice your craft.
[00:41:35] Steve & Chris: Yes.
[00:41:40] Steve & Chris: Um.
[00:41:45] Steve & Chris: And there's a time to.
[00:41:50] Steve & Chris: To get paid to do it.
[00:41:55] Steve & Chris: Yes.
[00:42:00] Steve & Chris: You know, so, um, it's hard to only focus on one if you only focus on the technical side.
[00:42:05] Steve & Chris: And you never rehearse.
[00:42:10] Steve & Chris: You never practice, you never work in that field.
[00:42:15] Steve & Chris: You're going to have lots of knowledge, but you won't be able to mix.
[00:42:20] Steve & Chris: It's like I could spend twenty five years reading about how to ride a bike, and the second I sit on one and roll a little bit, I go, ah, that's how it works.
[00:42:25] Steve & Chris: Yeah, right.
[00:42:30] Steve & Chris: It's a weird.
[00:42:35] Steve & Chris: It's a weird thing.
[00:42:40] Steve & Chris: Where?
[00:42:45] Steve & Chris: Where?
[00:42:50] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:42:55] Steve & Chris: Doing the thing.
[00:43:00] Steve & Chris: You learn so much, you will learn as the thing is.
[00:43:05] Steve & Chris: Yeah, it's not about not learning because while you do stuff, you learn as you go.
[00:43:10] Steve & Chris: Yeah, okay.
[00:43:15] Steve & Chris: But it's more about learning or have having the, the knowledge of all the technical geeky stuff.
[00:43:20] Steve & Chris: And there's more and there's no fear of injury or self harm.
[00:43:25] Steve & Chris: No.
[00:43:30] Steve & Chris: You know what I mean?
[00:43:35] Steve & Chris: It's like you go you go to the gym and you're watching the guy on the machine.
[00:43:40] Steve & Chris: Like, this guy doesn't know how to use his machine.
[00:43:45] Steve & Chris: He's gonna get hurt.
[00:43:50] Steve & Chris: He's gonna pull his shoulder out of his socket or whatever.
[00:43:55] Steve & Chris: Right?
[00:44:00] Steve & Chris: We're here.
[00:44:05] Steve & Chris: It's just like, well, my mics didn't sound very good.
[00:44:10] Steve & Chris: I guess I'll delete that and go again.
[00:44:15] Steve & Chris: Right.
[00:44:20] Steve & Chris: So.
[00:44:25] Steve & Chris: So you can learn on the job here.
[00:44:30] Steve & Chris: And then you're right.
[00:44:35] Steve & Chris: There's a time to get paid.
[00:44:40] Steve & Chris: That was a really interesting point.
[00:44:45] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:44:50] Steve & Chris: Because there's a point where I have to stop learning and just nail this thing for two days because I know what they want, and I have to listen to the reference and nail this thing.
[00:44:55] Steve & Chris: And then I'm gonna go back to that thing I was learning and experimenting with.
[00:45:00] Steve & Chris: It's not the time to to pull off plugin doctor at this point.
[00:45:05] Steve & Chris: Exactly.
[00:45:10] Steve & Chris: Start playing with plugins and experimenting and learning so it is.
[00:45:15] Steve & Chris: And how often do you learn from just a new gadget?
[00:45:20] Steve & Chris: Like.
[00:45:25] Steve & Chris: Like I get a new plug in and we were talking some weeks ago about you plug in and I'll load the user preset.
[00:45:30] Steve & Chris: Yes, yes.
[00:45:35] Steve & Chris: Like the oh, this is the Greg Wells vocal thing and I'll load it and just go, oh, this is how he thinks of a vocal, a vocals.
[00:45:40] Steve & Chris: And that's what he does for his upper mids and I.
[00:45:45] Steve & Chris: Yeah, right.
[00:45:50] Steve & Chris: I never thought of that.
[00:45:55] Steve & Chris: I just learned something.
[00:46:00] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:46:05] Steve & Chris: So there's, there's learning in doing and reverse engineering and oh for sure, if I went and took apart my carburetor, I would learn really fast how to reassemble a carburetor for sure, because my wife's going to want to use the car.
[00:46:10] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:46:15] Steve & Chris: And she's grumpy because I'm out there with my beer taking apart a carburetor on a weekday.
[00:46:20] Steve & Chris: So there is.
[00:46:25] Steve & Chris: There is.
[00:46:30] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:46:35] Steve & Chris: But I think what's important also is like, it's good sometimes like to jump on into rabbit holes, and there's a time for that.
[00:46:40] Steve & Chris: But at some point, if it's a distraction for you to, to to be productive and for you to move forward with good mixes.
[00:46:45] Steve & Chris: It's not worth it.
[00:46:50] Steve & Chris: I yeah, if I jump into a rabbit hole, it has to have a purpose and it has to make me a better mixer or producer or whatever, you know, or you need to be having fun, or I need to be having fun and that's.
[00:46:55] Steve & Chris: Yeah, if those things, if those none of those are happening.
[00:47:00] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:47:05] Steve & Chris: I just don't want to be the guy on gear.
[00:47:10] Steve & Chris: What is it again?
[00:47:15] Steve & Chris: Mix down online.
[00:47:20] Steve & Chris: The guy with the beard.
[00:47:25] Steve & Chris: That guy.
[00:47:30] Steve & Chris: Don't be that guy.
[00:47:35] Steve & Chris: That guy.
[00:47:40] Steve & Chris: Don't be that guy.
[00:47:45] Steve & Chris: So stupid.
[00:47:50] Steve & Chris: Ah!
[00:47:55] Steve & Chris: Gear space.
[00:48:00] Steve & Chris: Gear space.
[00:48:05] Steve & Chris: Renamed.
[00:48:10] Steve & Chris: I know, like, five years ago, and I still.
[00:48:15] Steve & Chris: I'm still stuck on the first one.
[00:48:20] Steve & Chris: Yep.
[00:48:25] Steve & Chris: You know, I don't want to be that guy on gear space.
[00:48:30] Steve & Chris: Fighting it out.
[00:48:35] Steve & Chris: Just fighting, you know?
[00:48:40] Steve & Chris: And just, like, arguing all the technical, geeky stuff.
[00:48:45] Steve & Chris: and that's why you got to mix it online.
[00:48:50] Steve & Chris: Yes.
[00:48:55] Steve & Chris: Which is not gear space.
[00:49:00] Steve & Chris: No, but there's some good stuff on gear space.
[00:49:05] Steve & Chris: There's some good stuff on Gear space.
[00:49:10] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:49:15] Steve & Chris: You do some research sometimes, like, you know, you're gonna find your answer.
[00:49:20] Steve & Chris: It's pretty amazing.
[00:49:25] Steve & Chris: Actually, I still go there.
[00:49:30] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:49:35] Steve & Chris: Me too.
[00:49:40] Steve & Chris: And I still read.
[00:49:45] Steve & Chris: There's still people that I've trusted for years on there.
[00:49:50] Steve & Chris: Of course, they're standing strong.
[00:49:55] Steve & Chris: They're still in the fight, man.
[00:50:00] Steve & Chris: Of course.
[00:50:05] Steve & Chris: So what did we learn today?
[00:50:10] Steve & Chris: I don't know.
[00:50:15] Steve & Chris: We learned nothing.
[00:50:20] Steve & Chris: It was supposed to be our best podcast.
[00:50:25] Steve & Chris: That's what makes it the best.
[00:50:30] Steve & Chris: Did we learn nothing?
[00:50:35] Steve & Chris: This is what we do.
[00:50:40] Steve & Chris: Okay.
[00:50:45] Steve & Chris: I would say that if I have an advice.
[00:50:50] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:50:55] Steve & Chris: Okay.
[00:51:00] Steve & Chris: Education is awesome.
[00:51:05] Steve & Chris: If you have that in your toolbox, I think you have, like, just better tools to work with.
[00:51:10] Steve & Chris: And same for for mixing and producing.
[00:51:15] Steve & Chris: And again, it just like so many of our things end with enjoy the journey.
[00:51:20] Steve & Chris: Exactly.
[00:51:25] Steve & Chris: Like, if it's fun to take apart your carburetor, go do it.
[00:51:30] Steve & Chris: If not, let the professional do it and you go back to your job.
[00:51:35] Steve & Chris: You know what I mean?
[00:51:40] Steve & Chris: Like it's that like, enjoy this journey.
[00:51:45] Steve & Chris: So anyways, there it is.
[00:51:50] Steve & Chris: There it is.
[00:51:55] Steve & Chris: We learned nothing, I know.
[00:52:00] Steve & Chris: What about the question of the week?
[00:52:05] Steve & Chris: I have a question of the week.
[00:52:10] Steve & Chris: Maybe we'll learn something here.
[00:52:15] Steve & Chris: Nope.
[00:52:20] Steve & Chris: Probably not.
[00:52:25] Steve & Chris: But we'll talk.
[00:52:30] Steve & Chris: Maybe this will make our podcast to be the best podcast this year.
[00:52:35] Steve & Chris: We're right on the edge right now.
[00:52:40] Steve & Chris: Oh, man.
[00:52:45] Steve & Chris: We're still missing something, dude.
[00:52:50] Steve & Chris: I feel like we're right on the edge.
[00:52:55] Steve & Chris: You go boy.
[00:53:00] Steve & Chris: I didn't say it.
[00:53:05] Steve & Chris: You thought it, though, I felt it.
[00:53:10] Steve & Chris: You paused in just a way that I had to fill it in.
[00:53:15] Steve & Chris: We make a very great team.
[00:53:20] Steve & Chris: It's not fair.
[00:53:25] Steve & Chris: You.
[00:53:30] Steve & Chris: It's like.
[00:53:35] Steve & Chris: It's like the guy goes like, do do do do do do do do do and stops.
[00:53:40] Steve & Chris: Everybody's like like it's that.
[00:53:45] Steve & Chris: That's what you did.
[00:53:50] Steve & Chris: You go.
[00:53:55] Steve & Chris: It's unfair.
[00:54:00] Steve & Chris: I'm getting myself in trouble.
[00:54:05] Steve & Chris: No evil genius.
[00:54:10] Steve & Chris: Okay, this one was.
[00:54:15] Steve & Chris: I can't remember who sent this in, and I wish I remember.
[00:54:20] Steve & Chris: Let's call him Bobby.
[00:54:25] Steve & Chris: This.
[00:54:30] Steve & Chris: You know, John Doe.
[00:54:35] Steve & Chris: You know what, John?
[00:54:40] Steve & Chris: I think this happened during a live stream.
[00:54:45] Steve & Chris: I think somebody asked.
[00:54:50] Steve & Chris: this.
[00:54:55] Steve & Chris: Oh, you know what I think?
[00:55:00] Steve & Chris: I think you're right.
[00:55:05] Steve & Chris: I think I jumped in here real quick on the M.C.C.
[00:55:10] Steve & Chris: live stream.
[00:55:15] Steve & Chris: Yes.
[00:55:20] Steve & Chris: So somebody said my mixes do not translate well to other devices.
[00:55:25] Steve & Chris: They're either too muddy or too tinny.
[00:55:30] Steve & Chris: And we.
[00:55:35] Steve & Chris: Yeah, we told them.
[00:55:40] Steve & Chris: Yeah we're going to talk about we did like a five second response.
[00:55:45] Steve & Chris: And I'm like we're going to talk about this.
[00:55:50] Steve & Chris: So translation.
[00:55:55] Steve & Chris: Yes.
[00:56:00] Steve & Chris: Translation translation.
[00:56:05] Steve & Chris: Oh man.
[00:56:10] Steve & Chris: Like it was last week with rock like translation.
[00:56:15] Steve & Chris: Translation.
[00:56:20] Steve & Chris: That's the that's the punchline of this entire joke.
[00:56:25] Steve & Chris: Yes.
[00:56:30] Steve & Chris: Is if you.
[00:56:35] Steve & Chris: That's the doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo.
[00:56:40] Steve & Chris: That's the translation.
[00:56:45] Steve & Chris: You know, translation comes when you know your system well, when you know how good music sounds like on whatever speakers or headphones you work with.
[00:56:50] Steve & Chris: So sorry.
[00:56:55] Steve & Chris: So the definition of translation is I mixed it here.
[00:57:00] Steve & Chris: It sounds great.
[00:57:05] Steve & Chris: I took it other places and it didn't sound as good.
[00:57:10] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:57:15] Steve & Chris: But then when you take it to other places.
[00:57:20] Steve & Chris: But that doesn't sound great.
[00:57:25] Steve & Chris: Yes.
[00:57:30] Steve & Chris: But it doesn't sound great.
[00:57:35] Steve & Chris: According to.
[00:57:40] Steve & Chris: What do you know?
[00:57:45] Steve & Chris: Like those other other medium like if you.
[00:57:50] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[00:57:55] Steve & Chris: Listen to I listen to my mix in my in my friend's car and it sucked.
[00:58:00] Steve & Chris: Okay.
[00:58:05] Steve & Chris: Is that the only thing you listen to in your friend's car, or was that your first time listening?
[00:58:10] Steve & Chris: It was a nineteen eighty nine Honda Civic.
[00:58:15] Steve & Chris: We had to convert it onto cassette so we could play it in this car at highway speed.
[00:58:20] Steve & Chris: Exactly.
[00:58:25] Steve & Chris: So I'll pull it like I'm gonna put it like this.
[00:58:30] Steve & Chris: I mix a song on my speakers or headphones if I want to know if they translate well.
[00:58:35] Steve & Chris: I'm going to bring that mix and listen to it on my other headphones that I know well, or my home system upstairs, that I listen to music on a lot, you know?
[00:58:40] Steve & Chris: And if I bring it to my car, well, it has to be because I know how good music sounds in my car because I listen to a bunch of music inside the car.
[00:58:45] Steve & Chris: If not, it's a bit useless.
[00:58:50] Steve & Chris: Okay.
[00:58:55] Steve & Chris: So interesting.
[00:59:00] Steve & Chris: And even before I listen to my own mix on another system.
[00:59:05] Steve & Chris: I'm gonna listen to my references also on that system to get into that zone, to get into.
[00:59:10] Steve & Chris: Okay, this is a good mix.
[00:59:15] Steve & Chris: This is good sounding music.
[00:59:20] Steve & Chris: And this is how it sounds like in this in this car, you know, and before I put on my mix.
[00:59:25] Steve & Chris: So I at least I have.
[00:59:30] Steve & Chris: Okay, I know exactly if I'm in the ballpark or not.
[00:59:35] Steve & Chris: So this is translation, but translation has to be done in the right way.
[00:59:40] Steve & Chris: Also.
[00:59:45] Steve & Chris: And this is a very intelligent answer, professor, I try this was really well, I try my best.
[00:59:50] Steve & Chris: And honestly, I've never quantified this thought that you just gave.
[00:59:55] Steve & Chris: Like like it's the right answer that I've never thought, like, I do it.
[01:00:00] Steve & Chris: I know my car and I know my yeah, I know my, my Sonos in my living room.
[01:00:05] Steve & Chris: You know, they're little and I know my wife's car and I know my AirPods.
[01:00:10] Steve & Chris: I'm not going to take it to some random person's house and ask to borrow their living room so I can listen to my pop mix, right?
[01:00:15] Steve & Chris: Like.
[01:00:20] Steve & Chris: And even if I go into another studio like with amazing speakers and stuff?
[01:00:25] Steve & Chris: I did that in the past.
[01:00:30] Steve & Chris: I bring my mix to my friends studios.
[01:00:35] Steve & Chris: I want to listen to my mix in your speakers, you know.
[01:00:40] Steve & Chris: But before we do so, we listen to a bunch of music.
[01:00:45] Steve & Chris: So to your earlier point, you just go, why?
[01:00:50] Steve & Chris: Why if, if, if I listen to it in my car and my house and my wife's car.
[01:00:55] Steve & Chris: I think you have enough.
[01:01:00] Steve & Chris: And this stuff, like, if I've done that and it sounds great to me, you're good.
[01:01:05] Steve & Chris: Why do I need to go listen to it on my friend's great speakers?
[01:01:10] Steve & Chris: No you don't.
[01:01:15] Steve & Chris: That's interesting.
[01:01:20] Steve & Chris: Visit your friends.
[01:01:25] Steve & Chris: But no, I'm making your point for you again.
[01:01:30] Steve & Chris: Like you're right.
[01:01:35] Steve & Chris: Yeah, to your earlier point.
[01:01:40] Steve & Chris: There's no point in that.
[01:01:45] Steve & Chris: You can do it for fun, not for fun.
[01:01:50] Steve & Chris: I was talking about for fun.
[01:01:55] Steve & Chris: Yeah, but I'm saying to reference it again, that's like going to someone's living room and asking to borrow their living room.
[01:02:00] Steve & Chris: Honestly, on my end.
[01:02:05] Steve & Chris: Headphones, if I mix on my headphones, I'm going to call my speakers and maybe another set of headphones and that's it.
[01:02:10] Steve & Chris: And then from there, the last piece of this, I guess, before we quit or get fired by ourselves is feedback then.
[01:02:15] Steve & Chris: So now you're getting.
[01:02:20] Steve & Chris: You know what I mean?
[01:02:25] Steve & Chris: It's translating to your clients.
[01:02:30] Steve & Chris: Yes.
[01:02:35] Steve & Chris: Wife's car.
[01:02:40] Steve & Chris: And he's going.
[01:02:45] Steve & Chris: Hey, it sounds weird to me.
[01:02:50] Steve & Chris: What do you do with that?
[01:02:55] Steve & Chris: What do you do when the client goes, hey, I listen to it and there's no low end.
[01:03:00] Steve & Chris: But then again.
[01:03:05] Steve & Chris: It's honestly what I.
[01:03:10] Steve & Chris: Yeah, because that happened to me before.
[01:03:15] Steve & Chris: And I'll tell you and I always the answer I, I'm going to give the client in that case.
[01:03:20] Steve & Chris: Okay.
[01:03:25] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[01:03:30] Steve & Chris: Put on your regular music, the music you listen to.
[01:03:35] Steve & Chris: I'm going to ask him the question.
[01:03:40] Steve & Chris: Do you listen to music in your car?
[01:03:45] Steve & Chris: That's exactly the question on the podcast.
[01:03:50] Steve & Chris: You know, if you're listening to our podcast, that's great.
[01:03:55] Steve & Chris: Obviously.
[01:04:00] Steve & Chris: Okay.
[01:04:05] Steve & Chris: Come on.
[01:04:10] Steve & Chris: I don't even know if you need to listen to music.
[01:04:15] Steve & Chris: I'm gonna edit that out.
[01:04:20] Steve & Chris: But but if you're listening to embarrass yourself with that, you're listening to other podcasts and not music, you know, you have a problem and then you put on your mix.
[01:04:25] Steve & Chris: That's going to be the first question.
[01:04:30] Steve & Chris: Yeah.
[01:04:35] Steve & Chris: And a lot of it is, hey, remember that reference mix you gave me that you said you wanted to sound like.
[01:04:40] Steve & Chris: Yeah, listen to that first and then put yours on and then go back to that.
[01:04:45] Steve & Chris: And then put yours on.
[01:04:50] Steve & Chris: Exactly.
[01:04:55] Steve & Chris: And then tell me what you don't like.
[01:05:00] Steve & Chris: It doesn't have a low end.
[01:05:05] Steve & Chris: It doesn't.
[01:05:10] Steve & Chris: I promise it does.
[01:05:15] Steve & Chris: Listen to just the bass and the kick and then put yours on.
[01:05:20] Steve & Chris: Right.
[01:05:25] Steve & Chris: Or the singer's too loud.
[01:05:30] Steve & Chris: No it's not.
[01:05:35] Steve & Chris: You're the singer and you're embarrassed of your voice.
[01:05:40] Steve & Chris: Listen to it.
[01:05:45] Steve & Chris: You know what I mean?
[01:05:50] Steve & Chris: Exactly.
[01:05:55] Steve & Chris: Zoom out and listen to yours and theirs.
[01:06:00] Steve & Chris: It's to put them in context.
[01:06:05] Steve & Chris: And the context is huge.
[01:06:10] Steve & Chris: It is, it is.
[01:06:15] Steve & Chris: Okay, so, uh.
[01:06:20] Steve & Chris: Yeah, to finish this off, I'm going to say that if you want to, to get better translation, it doesn't matter what speakers you use to mics or headphones, okay.
[01:06:25] Steve & Chris: Like it's not a piece of gear that's going to make a huge difference in the translation of your mixes into other systems is how well you know, your speakers or headphones you work with.
[01:06:30] Steve & Chris: Okay.
[01:06:35] Steve & Chris: And on my end is what I do.
[01:06:40] Steve & Chris: I listen to music.
[01:06:45] Steve & Chris: I actually talked about that to rock last week.
[01:06:50] Steve & Chris: I listened to all of the music.
[01:06:55] Steve & Chris: I like all of the music I listen to.
[01:07:00] Steve & Chris: I'm going to use my speakers that I mix with.
[01:07:05] Steve & Chris: I'm going to use my headphones I mix with the same way I do when I mix with them.
[01:07:10] Steve & Chris: So if I have like on my headphones, if I have like the Harmon curve, I'm going to do the same when I listen to Amazon Music.
[01:07:15] Steve & Chris: If I have like crossfeed on, I'm going to activate Crossfeed when I listen to music.
[01:07:20] Steve & Chris: If I have my your room correction thing going on for my speakers, that's how I'm going to listen to music.
[01:07:25] Steve & Chris: And you're listening to something on Amazon that has been proven to translate all over the place already.
[01:07:30] Steve & Chris: Yeah, exactly.
[01:07:35] Steve & Chris: And you're trying to match good, high quality, professional sounding mixes, you know, so I know exactly how good produced and good sounding mixes sound like in my environment and my medium, and that's it.
[01:07:40] Steve & Chris: So that's how you're going to be able to make your music translate well everywhere.
[01:07:45] Steve & Chris: Boom, there you go.
[01:07:50] Steve & Chris: This was the best episode ever.
[01:07:55] Steve & Chris: I think it was.
[01:08:00] Steve & Chris: Let's go.