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(00:03) So Steve >> Chris, >> how's it going, man? Uh, >> it's good. >> It's good, eh? Yeah, it's not too bad. >> It's good. A. >> All right. >> Look at you all Canadian. >> You know, >> it's good a >> A. You need the A. >> It's not or it's not a question. >> Exactly. >> I like it. >> Yeah. >> So, >> when there's no A, it's not Canadian.
(00:23) What other are there any things you've really picked up that are that cross over to Canadian speak? >> Sorry. >> Sorry. >> Sorry. >> It's And it's >> Yeah. I you know I'm on the French side of Canada, so I don't know how to pronounce sorry. We don't we actually don't say that. >> You don't have You don't know how to use the word? >> No, we don't. We're just not sorry.
(00:47) >> You don't know what it means. >> I don't know what this means. But everyone says, but it's weird when you start to pay attention to these little details. We do say that a lot >> and and and so sorry. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> You're so sorry. >> Yeah. Yeah. For sure. >> I I true story saw a comedian a few years ago, fairly well-known but very dark comic.
(01:15) Like lots of like, you know, >> punching baby jokes, you know, it's pretty extreme. He started a he started a a a a a story. He was leading towards his punchline, but it started with my mom died a few weeks ago. And he was just it's just the way he started. He's like, "Oh, my mom died a few weeks ago." True story. Mhall Calgary.
(01:33) Some guy goes, "Oh, so sorry from the back of the from the back of ML like like like legit heartfelt loud. It just came out of this guy. >> Oh my gosh. this guy, this like dry >> in character. He was doubled over. >> No way. >> laughing. And he could not stop laughing. He's like, "Everything I've heard about you people is true.
(01:58) " He's like, he's like, "It was really funny." Like, it just the whole thing came apart for like six or seven minutes and then he kind of just did this like, "Okay, get back in character, you guys. Go with me on >> But it just Oh, so sorry." Like, it was so heartfelt. It's just a reflex. >> I don't know why.
(02:14) I don't know where that comes from. >> Just kind people >> probably raised by kind people and kind of taught that this is what you do. >> I guess so. >> If somebody's mom dies, you say so sorry. >> Anyway, >> but sorry is not enough. You need the soul. >> So, so sorry. >> Yeah. So, uh >> welcome to Canada. >> Yeah. Thanks. You too.
(02:36) >> Thank you. >> You want to pivot? I yeah, let's pivot. >> And the the most important part you said just before we started was we have to remember to get, >> you know, it's like what we like about doing this podcast, what we like the most is to answer questions. Yeah. You know, that brings us some stuff to talk about, you know.
(02:58) So, it's important for you to leave your questions. >> Yeah. >> And uh we'll answer the best we can. So, we have a link. You can click the link in the video description or the podcast the show notes. uh that will link directly to a little form where you can leave your questions. Anything related to home studio stuff like you know >> and Canadian apologies >> and of course you need Canadian apologies. Okay.
(03:22) Or else we're not going to read the question. >> That's right. >> You know but we're so nice that we will anyways. >> That's right. >> So uh there's that. You can leave your questions also as YouTube comments on YouTube on the YouTube channel. Yeah. >> And we also noticed something on YouTube that most of our viewers are not even subscribed to the channel.
(03:37) So, I would subscribe right away. >> You should be saying so sorry >> wherever you are. >> And I'm so sorry for you. >> Yeah. So sorry >> not to be subscribed yet. >> So that I think that is the main thing here. Ask your questions and uh let us answer. >> Yep. >> It's fun for us to do so. >> And on the topic of questions and conversation, the big one in this year of our Lord 2026.
(04:05) >> Oh yeah. I think that's going to be the big topic for this year. >> Yeah. Is the AI >> Yeah. thing. >> It was already a big topic in 2025. >> Yeah. >> But I think we're going to hear more and more of it in 2026 before it starts to normalize. If >> do you think it has crossed over? >> Do you know like I I remember like somebody used the analogy somewhere that that the AI thing is like you know when we first started talking about COVID >> Yeah.
(04:35) In early 2020, it was like, "Oh, there's this thing in in China and it might come." And everybody was like, "Oh, boy. That's gonna" And then there was a point where you're like, "Oh, wow. They're canceling NBA games." And >> Yeah. Yeah. >> There was that moment and everybody had it in their own way like was it Tom Hanks getting or was it the NBA? What What was the day where you're like, "Oo, this is a thing.
(04:54) >> We need to wipe our groceries off or whatever your thought was." Sure. Like do you think AI has crossed from oh it can like tell a joke and help me with my email into daily existence for >> I think that was 2025. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Especially the like the second half. >> Yeah. >> And in the home studio world for the musician world like Yeah.
(05:14) I think it reached that point end of 2025 where people are starting to to to say okay what's happening. >> Okay there's something here. And now we actually watch a few videos in our niche. >> Yeah. people talking about that like Joel Gilder posted a video >> big names >> a few weeks ago Warren Uert you know for example and these are very good videos >> and and a few of the videos I notic in our industry anyway start with you know I I've been avoiding addressing this >> or I didn't think I needed to or what and and now it's just it's kind of
(05:44) pushed it's so pushed so hard against the glass you have to >> make eye contact with it >> and I think Rick Biato is one of the YouTube influencer or creator that like pushed it a lot. He talked a lot about AI. >> Yeah, he's done 25. Oh, yeah. >> From different angles. >> Yeah.
(06:02) And even like you know that song he kind of prompt >> Yes. >> with was it ABC or NBC was the morning show on the weekend? I forgot which uh network but yeah they came up with um what's the name of I think I wrote it down. >> Uh they came up with an artist name. >> Yeah. >> He promped the whole lyrics in Claude. >> Do we tell a joke while you are on Google? Go ahead.
(06:26) >> And uh >> I got nothing. >> You got nothing. >> I Is that a thing with jokes? Like when you hear one, you're like, I'm never going to forget this joke ever. This is And then like a minute later, you're like, wow. >> It's gone. >> It's gone. >> Like it did right now. >> I had so many jokes until I tried. >> Okay.
(06:43) So now I can can back to I can come back >> back to what you forgot. Yeah. >> Yeah. The the artist's name is Sandy Winters. >> Okay. >> Or Sandy Sandy Winters. You just looked it up and you forgot it already. >> I like you know I'm just catching up your disease about forgetting. >> I'm so sorry. >> It's okay. >> You are going to be a grandpa.
(07:04) >> It's coming fast, man. It's going to come months, man. >> Couple months. You're going to be a grandpa. >> She's getting there now. She's all beautiful with, you know, >> pregnant belly. Oh, I love it. >> She's glowing, you know. >> Can you ever just say >> no? So you have to say beautiful and glowing and all that stuff like when they're angry and eating weird things and you're just like you're so >> glowing covered in pudding and >> covered in >> pudding and ketchup like you're glowing.
(07:31) >> Pickles with ice cream. >> Pickles with ice cream. Yeah. >> Sorry. Anyway, so so back to Cindy or Sandy or whatever his or her name is. >> Yeah. >> So he prompted the lyrics. He prompt in uh Suno like the arrangement all that stuff you know >> and the results were honestly to my opinion pretty good. Okay.
(07:53) To the point that I I had my daughter listen to that song without saying anything. It's like listen to that song. Let me know what you think. And she was like ah that is so good. >> And then when I told her it was fully AI generated >> she felt abused. She didn't like it. you know, she didn't feel very well for me. So, >> um, but and it's actually a very good song and I >> So, yeah, I mean, I know there's like this entire world of amazing fully produced AI music that is slowly taking over our playlists and >> I guess for today though, maybe it's
(08:29) just like how does it affect us directly and maybe we assume not fully AI? Yeah, let's put like the full AI generated music aside and talk about us as creators >> assuming we are involved in the process as as humans. >> Exactly. Cuz let's face it, we've been involved with these types of tools if if they were not AI tools for like more than 20 years. Yes.
(08:53) >> Okay. >> We played with autotune with drum machines, virtual instruments, fake orchestras and all that stuff. So we've been through that route before. >> So assuming AI is just another tool, will it take over? Will we all die? Is it going to use us as as a battery source? That can be a conversation for another time. For sure. For sure.
(09:14) >> So, and maybe the way to do this is that we just should we just kind of walk through our our process as creatives? Sure. So like we start with, >> you know, start with songwriting. So AI and songwriting, right? The the currently I guess Nashville and Hollywood's dirty little secret. It's there. >> It's been there.
(09:31) >> It's been there for >> maybe a while. >> And from an audience perspective, it's fun. This is a, you know, this could be a YouTube question, but like how are you, do you notice it? Do I There's like country songs are a great example where I'm like >> that word play like the word play's gotten better in the last couple years.
(09:51) It dipped for a while. >> Sure. >> There was just a lot of, you know, tequila >> or whatever. And now like some of these songs they I'm like this is this is brilliantly good. So as a young crop of songwriters or is it AI? >> Yeah. I I'll be honest with you when it's fully AI >> uh like fully music AI or fully I can like notice. Correct.
(10:11) >> Okay. >> But when it's blended or when it's kind of a >> well prompted and then >> or like well played and performed and just like a very good tool to complement >> the creator. I can't tell. And reality is most like a lot of the pop music and top 40 list we listen to on Spotify and streaming and stuff, >> they're using it there, >> you know, maybe a little, maybe a lot, but they're using it.
(10:38) >> But but still needs human >> intervention. The the fun the closest analog to this that just over the holidays. Yeah. >> Uh Amazon orders are coming in. >> Yeah. >> We got some random stuff for our skiing and those like bungee cords. And it's funny when you get the Amazon ad or instruction or whatever where it's like fully translated from like, you know, whatever. Yeah.
(10:58) >> Mandarin, and you're like, there was no English speaker involved in this translation. >> It's just like it is as on the nose. >> Oh, man. I see that a lot between French and English. >> Yeah. Is is very good for your life or what? It's like it's like things that just a native English speaker wouldn't say, but it it's technically correct.
(11:17) And so, yeah. So maybe songwriting is is still in that phase. I think so for for the time being. >> I think so. But it's a thing. It's like a lot of artists will are using AI like or cloud or whatever just to to complete what they already have or make what they already have even better >> or just get some ideas or >> Okay, so we we've got our song kind of written and now we demo.
(11:43) Demoville might be a place where AI is creeping in and might just kind of wipe a little section of the process out. >> Yes, you can go crazy if you wanted to. I could I could literally prompt an idea >> in a genre that I like. >> Yeah. A what >> with a genre is a Okay, educate me. So sorry >> because it's one of those words that we all think we're saying it properly.
(12:14) So we all say genre. >> Genre. Genre. What did I say? What did I say? >> I can't. >> Genre. Genre. I forgot. >> It was just It was better. >> It was better. Yeah. >> I think yours is better. >> Oh, but isn't mine like a French? >> Isn't mine stealing from French? >> I don't know. But it is a word in French.
(12:32) It's called >> So why wouldn't you say it better? >> Jean is what how we say it in France. But it's like the It's like meeting out in the foyer. Meeting out in the foyer. >> Let's get back on track. >> Why start now? >> What What What was I saying? >> You were talking about Oh god, I should be a grandpa, too. >> You should.
(12:54) Yeah, >> every this is when everybody's watching and they're yelling at their phone right now like you idiots. >> Oh, demos. >> Thank you. >> So, making demos in a certain genre. >> Yes, >> you could. I could write. There you go. I could prop a full song, you know, demo it and I have something pretty good like a friend of mine, a guy, you know, I'm not going to name him, but this is what actually he started to experiment with >> onsuno.
(13:20) Are you not going to name him or did you forget his name? >> I'm not going to say. >> I could tell you, but I'm not going to. >> I'm not going to say. >> Sorry. Go. So sorry. >> Yeah. So sorry. So um yeah, so he he came up with this like basic lyrics, >> quick melody, >> put that on and he cames out with a full production. He was like, >> "Yeah, >> man. Chris, this is so so easy.
(13:49) I I don't need to arrange the song now. It does it for me." >> This is Sagalas, right? >> It's like, "Yeah, yeah, this is Dom." >> Yeah, this is Dom. You can tell me. So I won't tell anybody. >> Dom, no, it's not me. It's not me. It's not >> Sagal is a new hit song. >> It's Gilder Gilder, >> but no. So, um, >> it can be done.
(14:12) >> It can be done and hard. >> And some are doing it. Some music you hear on the radio, on streaming services, high professional, they actually use it this way and they get a full arrangement. >> It seems like a pretty fair place for AI to help. >> Yeah. In my opinion, >> it avoids the songwriter or composer to just >> hire a bunch of musicians to demo the whole thing.
(14:40) So, >> it helps the Yeah. the creator to demo the song and then >> let's jump on this in the studio and rearrange a few things and adapt it and re-record the whole thing. >> If your living has been made by singing like ooze and o's on demos, >> this could be your year to dust off your resume. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Is it wrong? Oh, don't ask me that.
(15:02) I just I'm just excited. I put my pants on and came over here. >> Let's keep that for another video. >> Yeah, that's that's for the next guy. >> But yeah, this is a this is a thing. >> Ethical the ethical conversation is a whole another different thing. >> So, it is a thing. >> So, the demo. So, okay. So, now we've got our song and our demo.
(15:18) And now we're going into probably the the most heavy lifting piece of what we do, which is a bunch of people historically in a room. Mh. >> You got an engineer and a producer and a drummer and a guitarist and a a keyboardist and a singer and and you're all in a room and you're you're drinking coffee and you're and you're you're racking up cost.
(15:37) You're you're in a you know you're you're in a space doing a thing. >> Yeah. >> Where's AI got its dirty little hands in this process? Do we think >> I don't think there I don't know honestly >> like the so and this is the you know drum drums are a great example. >> Yeah. You've got a a a really good, slick Nashville drummer who's playing all the hit song stuff who's then being quantized, drum replaced, and then replaced again and then and then edited and then re-quantized and like versus an AI drummer.
(16:16) >> Honestly, I'm going to hear the difference right away. >> Okay. >> Yeah. The real drummer has the human feel. I'm gonna I'm gonna literally computerized >> computerized to to an extent like timing is computerized >> dynamics or not. >> Sure they are. >> Oh yeah, we got a lot of AI going in there and leveling out every drum hit.
(16:37) >> Don't forget the AI though. Like prior to AI, >> okay, >> what what what I when I edit drums Yeah. >> Okay. I usually, you know, tweak the timing out of it. You know, I'm going to add some samples sometimes and sometimes I don't. I just mix them as they are because they sound pretty good >> and some other times I just like add a bit more >> drums I replace or what? Yeah, of course.
(16:58) All the I fully replace your drums. >> I replaced your singing too. So it's okay. >> The tools to replace your voice are awesome. >> Right now a giant black lady when I'm done with you. >> So like for like I don't know for me I don't >> I don't know. I'm not attracted to AI performed >> drum parts cuz I'm a drummer. I'm going to play them myself and I would rather play them myself, get my own feel, my own perspective and tweak what I don't like, >> you know, tighten up a few parts and um yeah, I like that. I like that process.
(17:37) >> Like the ethical conversation, do we cross into does the audience know or care or want to pay for your real drums versus the AI drummer? Is that another episode? >> Not really. I think I don't think the audience cares. I think the audience uh will care about authenticity maybe. >> Yeah. >> But but where's authenticity been for the last 20 years? >> There's that. It depends.
(18:00) It just shifted to something else. >> Yeah. >> Than what it used to be, but I think you can still find authenticity. >> Yeah. I mean, is there a golden age? Is there a golden age of music that we're trying to get back to that's been gone for a long time? >> Maybe we'll get back to that at some point. This could be the big win.
(18:16) >> That could be the big win, you know. >> Yeah. The the whole pendulum swings one way and we'll come back >> again. A conversation maybe on for we're doing a lot of conversations for another podcast. >> We do that on this podcast. >> That doesn't even make sense. >> But yeah. So, but but getting back to your initial question about the room, >> people in the room. Okay.
(18:37) So, you have a bunch of musicians, producer. >> So, how AI can help? Basically, >> the the producer is a guy I think that that is still valid and will be for a while. Whether it's the artist producing or the producer producing or >> the guitarist producing, somebody needs to intervene >> because of human connection. >> Yes.
(18:59) And because AI still needs to be guided. >> Yes. >> It can't exist in a vacuum, right? Like prompt. >> Yes. >> It whether whatever that prompt is. >> There's no humans. There's no AI. >> Correct. For now, knock on wood. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> We have a good couple years of that. >> You ever watch Terminator? >> No. >> Matrix. >> Don't >> Matrix. >> Don't watch the Matrix.
(19:20) >> A battery. >> It's good. I got to start eating better. That' be a good battery. >> So, in a production situation, you're in the studio. How would you work with AI if you think AI would be useful in a case where you're producing a song? I I for me personally now and I don't know where in 5 years because the curve is going like this as we know >> but currently in the studio AI is doing some of the quick >> you know there's some and it it might not even be AI at the moment but my knowledge of AI helps oh the air
(19:52) conditioner kicked on >> iZotope will get that for me >> yes exactly >> so there's a bit of like it's it's even in my mind as I'm recording I know that later ah that was a weird thing But uh and if is quantizing AI whatever but I can quantize that fill. I love the performance. >> And so there's a bit of AI or or editing or whatever awareness that helps me through the the production day that might have been another take that's now like ah you pop the pee but I got a thing that'll just go through and get all those. Right.
(20:20) >> Sure. >> So >> uh currently that's where it's at for me. Uh, also quickly, you know, the while the band is walking into the room, I will I will, God help me, I will slap ozone on it real quick and let them have a listen, right? And I'll just do it quick like like >> unbypass that and they go, "Wow, we sound like a record." Yeah.
(20:40) >> And now we can just move on to the next song. Right. So, there's a bit of that for me, >> which is very quick >> currently. Yes. >> You know, >> so speed. >> Yes. >> Yeah. And and I'm I just I think we as producers in real time get to be a bit more fearless >> like I can fix this. >> Sure. >> Right. >> Okay.
(21:01) And in the perspective of a home studio musician. >> So you don't have the big studio. You don't have a band coming in. You're alone with your own production. >> Same. >> Okay. So >> I can fix this. I love that performance. I felt something. I I hiccuped just right because I actually felt something. But I was a little this or that >> technically.
(21:18) Yeah, >> I can fix that. Right. I So, in some ways, did that bring more humanity in? >> Yeah, for sure. >> The the AI brought more humanity. >> Oh, look at that. >> The AI composers added some music, right? >> How would you use AI then? uh when you're producing a song, if if you find a a good way to use AI, is there any AI tools >> um aside from ozone? >> I'm not.
(21:49) >> While producing? >> Yeah. As a musician, >> I am I am not heavily into it at this point. Personally, I'm just not. >> Do you think it's going to come? >> Oh, it's it's here. >> Yeah, I know. But for you personally, >> I'm just too old and tired. Um I I think yeah I think that yeah I think these tools are just they're landing >> in even in our plugins right if we skip from the production to the mix now >> which is where we spend a lot of our time in the mix part right >> but before we jump to that part >> just want to stay a bit into the
(22:20) production >> uh would you would you just to get some ideas even like before production arrangements >> would you use AI tools for arrangement purposes like let's Oh, I will. >> You know, you have your song, you have your lyrics, you did that yourself, >> your melody, a basic arrangement that you crafted in ProTools or Qbase if you're wise.
(22:43) >> Um, and then you just uh or mature, whatever you want to whatever is your thing. Uh, I can't say anything rude because so many people watching are on Qbase and I know that and I'm and I'm and I self-preservation skills and so Yeah. Yeah, you're right. So wise, >> there you go. >> Mature people use Cubase. Wow.
(23:07) >> Professional. >> Nobody's ever made a hit on ProTools. >> Oh, point made. >> Nobody wins. >> So would you use like Sunno, for example, to get some ideas for >> I haven't me or a guitar part? >> I haven't, but I will. I just don't I just haven't done it yet. >> Yeah, same here. >> Yeah, like I will >> I will too.
(23:37) >> And it's going to become like an a ARRA plugin. Like it's going to be built into ProTools. I think it's going to come >> 100%. It's going to be a flip down menu >> and you know they're starting to build in splice now. >> They're building things in it's going to be in the DAO Sunno or whatever it's competitor.
(23:54) >> It's funny cuz yeah, we we we tend to be threatened by Sunno, but we worked with supplies for years. >> Sure. I produced a whole song that I released on, you know, under my name. >> That was the closest >> and I used I used splice for most of the samples. I re-recorded a bunch of stuff afterwards, but I still used >> arrangement wise a bunch of stuff.
(24:13) >> It wasn't artificial intelligence, but it wasn't our intelligence. It was some other guy in another place, >> right? So, in some ways it was >> and at the time I made a full video on my YouTube channel and nobody seemed to have a problem with that at the time. >> It was artificial intelligence. >> That's pretty good >> on some level.
(24:28) Yeah, >> it's weird. >> Yeah, it is weird. So yeah, it'll when it's just there, I'll use it 100%. I'm not and I'm not against it or opposed to it. I'm kind of excited by it, honestly. >> Yeah. >> Kind of fun to play with. >> Same here. Like for me personally, I have like no interest on prompting a full song and just release it and it's not my thing.
(24:45) If it's your thing, >> don't don't follow my channel. You're not going to like it. >> It will become your thing though at some point when it's just there. >> Like just sitting down on the desk and pumping a song. >> Oh, it'll totally That's it. >> It I've done it a couple times for fun. >> For fun? Yeah, sure. >> It's really fun. It is.
(24:59) >> And it's going to happen. >> It's going to happen for you. >> Remember the day. >> But I just love recording too much. >> Of course. And you'll still do that, too. >> So, yeah. >> Just like I I I love I love EQing drums, but I but I also replace them. They don't cancel each other out like it it's going to become a thing.
(25:21) >> Yeah. But you're still having your human side of it, though. >> That's true. >> That's the That's the difference. I'm talking about like just prompting, getting on the desk, and just like doing the prompt. and click enter and so all right release >> release >> that's not my thing might be you're a grandpa now getting tired >> maybe one last time produce music >> but yeah so >> so moving to mixing >> mixing yeah >> mixing I think is where um I'm feeling AI the most personally >> okay >> in my life just even the way it's built
(25:51) into some of these >> but there's more and more mixing tools it's becoming and like we were just saying with like It's built in. I'm using it without knowing it. >> A lot of people do >> or or not caring. >> Yeah. >> And so, yeah, I think mixing is for me the place where we are more and more able to just sit in a room alone and do the thing.
(26:12) >> I you know what would be cool and I think this is going to come with the integration of AI in DOS. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Um like ProTools, Qbase Studio One. Um, even before getting into the mixing stage, you know, >> and logic. >> And logic. Exactly. Because you work with logic too when you write music. So imagine if you you had some AI tools >> integrated in Logic >> to write your stuff.
(26:39) >> You know, there's already like things that are available like in Qbase. We have like chords we can >> sure, >> you know, that are recommended in different keys and chord progressions that you can build your songs with, which is makes the whole process of music creation easier. And I think and this is what I wish >> in the future and I think this is going to be the next big thing is AI integration in DS for music creation and could be also for mixing.
(27:04) >> So where if it's there and we don't even necessarily know it like where where are you finding your biggest interactions with AI while you're mixing? >> While I'm mixing? >> Yeah. Like while you're mixing away and you're opening plugins where are you like oh thanks AI? Not much >> like a like a >> some plugins, some like sonable plugins if I use them.
(27:27) Yeah, I could like, you know, >> quickly get a uh >> analyze my track, see how it goes, and then I'm just going to tweak >> upon that. >> The same as I would with a preset on the reverb plugin. A preset and go from there and tweak my stuff. >> Yep. >> And yeah, on AI based reverbs, >> yeah, >> I kind of like doing so. >> Okay. izotope has a reverb with kind of a I think it's AI analyzing >> weird.
(27:53) I never I'm never sure what it's doing. >> It's weird, but it does it pretty well. >> Like when when iZ isotope's like cleaning your thing, is it using AI? I I I struggle. >> I don't know. >> I used it a couple days ago to to remove some guitar squeaks. >> Yeah, >> that guitar thing. And I was like, is this AI or is this just >> process? Like where is And that's a part of all this too.
(28:14) like where so you've got human AI and then just tech >> and like where those three are starting to >> I think there there's a lot of overlaps. >> Yeah. And you know your your your ox sound stuff >> like you know I made a video on a voice AI generated instruments. >> Yeah. um that it's totally like maybe not totally but you know based on AI and there's one there's another one that is included in Cubase 15 >> and this one looks like it's AI but it's synthesis you know and now >> it's tech >> and every plugin says it's AI now >> AI assistant
(28:49) >> but it's like >> but it's not doing anything >> but it's the same purpose anyway >> I said boost 4K and it boosted it like is that AI like so yeah there is a bit of there's a bit of that still we're still in this weird >> adoption like you're saying you know you You're talking about isizotope, you're talking about ozone.
(29:05) >> Yeah. >> It's a help to to just >> Okay, so let's jump to mastering. Yeah. >> So ozone's a big one. To me, that's the to me that's the like the big nuclear >> bomb drop in most people's DAW currently >> where you can just analyze your mix >> and call it a day if you like the results. >> It does a lot like it it's lifting a lot of it's doing a lot of moves.
(29:28) When you go through the eyes of ozone modules, there's a lot happening there. >> Yeah, there is. Actually, that could be even a good learning tool. >> Oh, yeah. >> To learn about the craft of mastering or whatever. You just analyze what ozone is proposing for your song, see if it makes sense. >> I just did a huge ozone learning course purchase over the holidays and that's what it was was I learned more about mastering.
(29:52) >> Yeah. >> By learning what it's doing. Right. >> Exactly. >> And and so yeah, it is it was neat. It helps you reverse engineer. >> You Yeah. You can use AI to reverse engineer and learn from it. That's interesting. >> Yeah. >> Because at the end of the day when I >> watch what it does and then I go, I would have never thought of that >> over and over and over and over.
(30:10) I'm doing that. >> Yeah. And some stuff it it recommends just doesn't fit with my my taste. >> Mhm. >> Because you know, we're human, so we have taste. >> AI some of us does is Yeah. >> Some of us. You have lots. >> I work in QA. >> French >> and French. >> Yeah. You're French. >> Cubase plus French. >> Cubase. French.
(30:27) QA user >> English brutal. >> Hey, hey, hey. Hey, don't make me call my people. >> So, so sorry. >> Don't make me call my people. >> Drop a bomb on you or something. >> I added a soul to the soap. >> So, so sorry. >> So, so sorry. That's what you do. That's what you got to do. So, yeah, the the Oh, so yeah, I guess that we can be where we kind of land this plane, but yeah, the the the human piece still being necessary, >> I believe.
(30:56) So, >> uh, and there because AI does a thing at this point. Who knows in 10 years when it's learned all our flaws and weaknesses and everything, but at this point, mastering is a great planeer where where does human and and machine cross. >> Yeah. >> And mastering is a really it's like kind of laid bare, right? Because technically it's perfect, right? When you have AI or one of these services master it, it becomes technically perfect on a graph.
(31:27) It's it does all the things and you hit play and you go h >> I don't love it. >> And that's taste. >> That's a great >> that's personal taste. Like for me personally, I love ozone. It has wonderful tools. >> But for me, when I master a song, if I only use ozone, >> I'm going to just >> get in there and mess with it. >> Yeah.
(31:52) do my own thing because if I do analyze the whole thing and look at what it recommends, I'm going to undo pretty much of it. >> Amazing. You know, that's the first thing I do is start turning modules off. >> Exactly. >> And it just sounds better and better and better. >> Changing the order or whatever. >> And it looks less perfect on its little chart, >> but I just human.
(32:10) >> Yeah. But again, quicker starting point maybe. >> Yes. >> I don't know. Yes. >> For me, it's like a preset. >> Yes. That's it. You know, so sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. >> Yep. We could go a 100 thousand directions on this. >> Dude, it's it's even hard not to >> Do we just do we just shut up now and call this a thing? >> We could shut up and maybe >> maybe read the comments >> what you guys think and maybe we could do a follow-up video on AI and maybe talk about another angle.
(32:38) >> Yes. >> And maybe >> because there are many angles. >> There's many angles. Now we're a bit more technical and you know it's uh how to use AI as a tool you know to make our process quicker, faster, more efficient. >> This is a short episode where we just go AI good AI bad. >> We could do that too. >> But yeah, >> but this is not what we wanted to do for this episode.
(32:56) >> Okay, so that's it. >> So let's let's crash this plane now. >> But please leave your comments, >> leave your questions, >> bash or just praise, whatever. >> Yeah, whatever.
